w4hammer 12:44 Sun Oct 16
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..not even sure thats a word however as the opposite of gentrification it describes the decline of areas like Thornton Heath, Norwood & Crystal Palace - going over there every year you see the decline like an elderly relative who you only see at christmas and in a couple of years they've gone from mixing you and your cousins names up to shitting themselves at the dinner table!
Ive known the area for 30 odd years and whilst it was always a little frayed around the edges- the majority of its residents were immigrants ( lots of paddies )who were part of a community and who were slowly on their way up in the world- now it seems its been sunk under residents who want to turn it into a backstreet market in mogadishu - apart from a can of stella I cant imagine there's a single shop on the high street i could buy anything of any use- unless you count second hand cookers, plaintains and trashy suitcases.
What that place will be like in five or ten years I cant imagine- maybe its true what some of the doomsayers predict- we'll all end up like ALEPPO, although given the state of it currently- I'd say they are half way there already..!
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wansteadman
8:34 Wed Oct 19
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It's funny how the poorer areas of London in the 50's and 60's ie Notting hill Islington Clapham Brixton Hackney didn't have the money to put up new flats etc so they left the big houses alone now they have become the new places to live. When I was a kid there were loads of big houses in the east end which were pulled down and replaced with shithole council estates. I lived in Mile End and between bow and Mile End there were lots of street of 3 and 4 storey Victorian houses knocked down and replaced by the British street estate. Tredegar square got left alone because they were the only houses big enough for the big immigrant families
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Willtell
11:09 Wed Oct 19
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I find it depressing when I drive through areas like these and other UK areas. I find it ironic that if anyone applied to turn their houses into Mogadishu look-a-likes the planning office woould almost certainly reject your application...
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Pub Bigot
2:30 Tue Oct 18
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I pay £1300 a month for living on the Bromley/Lewisham border and I by no means live in a Palace.
Mrs has talked about moving to Liverpool, which I find mentally difficult to imagine, BUT, for the sake of lifestyle, savings etc, we may have to.
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Grumpster
2:14 Tue Oct 18
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i-Ron 12:29 Tue Oct 18
Always each to their own, but find it odd when someone will pay 700k for a flat in London, when they could get a right nice pad with a decent garden out in the sticks somewhere.
Young solicitor at work lives in a 3 storey terraced house (with flatmates) in North London and it costs them 1200 a month each in rent. Place is a right state, it's like Rising Damp, but he loves being in London.
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tonka
2:01 Tue Oct 18
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Brixton actually used to be one of the nicest parts of London in the late victorian era when the tram was king.
I lived in Brixton from 98-03 in a beautiful victorian square off Brixton hill. I tripled my money on the flat I sold. The 6 murders in one week (operation trident) that didn't make any news and the terrible education and infrastructure meant it wasn't a long term choice, most of these inner city councils are basically fucked and robbing Peter to pay Paul.
I actually think Brixton is sketchier now than it was then.
Brixton, Hackney, Dalston and the like are on the frontline of disparity between the haves and the have nots.
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i-Ron
12:46 Tue Oct 18
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Yeah they're a lot higher and have 3 floors, but they're still 3/4 bedrooms usually without garden's most of the time.
Clapham is decent. Would love to live around there.
Round Thornton Heath, Norwood and CP.....I wouldn't fancy it though. Grimy shit holes.
Although I reckon that's where people will start moving to next because it's a lot cheaper.
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mashed in maryland
12:31 Tue Oct 18
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In fairness most houses in Clapham are fucking massive.
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i-Ron
12:29 Tue Oct 18
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Clapham
Flats 470 sold average £643,918
Houses 2 sold average £1,507,500
FMOB
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i-Ron
12:26 Tue Oct 18
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Clapham's well expensive, mainly because the station is the busiest in europe isn't it?
average house price is close to a million too i think.
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mashed in maryland
12:19 Tue Oct 18
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Same up here Ron with Toxteth. Still got its crap bits but seems overwhelmingly students, graduates, and young middle class families (often from out of town).
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peckham massive
12:18 Tue Oct 18
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Brixton/Stockwell/Clapham etc all built in Georgian/Victorian era for wealthy and the middle classes. The wars and pollution meant anyone with money legged it to Croydon etc leaving London to be filled with social housing, the poor and new immigrants.
In the 80's and 90's the middle classes started moving back, pushing prices up so as the poor couldn't afford to live there and the social housing got sold, pushing them all to the suburbs.
Circle of life innit!
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i-Ron
12:11 Tue Oct 18
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MiM, I'm surprised the amount of posh uni grads at my work who live in Brixton. Didn't used to be like that over 5 years ago.
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Fifth Column
11:50 Tue Oct 18
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Selhurst etc will become more gentrified over nxt few years like most of London. That's presuming the property market doesn't crash
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mashed in maryland
10:33 Mon Oct 17
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FWIW I'm sure there are also still nice streets in Croydon and shit parts of Brixton. Just as back then there were crap bits of Croydon (New Addington anyone?) and bits of Brixton which were surprisingly nice.
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mashed in maryland
10:32 Mon Oct 17
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When I was living in south London, Croydon was always seen as quite posh. A lot of Brixton/Stockwell were almost no-go areas plagued with drugs and run by gangs.
Nowadays Croydon is apparently a bit rough (not been there in about a decade) and young artistes and yuppies are paying over a million quid to live in Brixton.
Things change. It's just how the world works.
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the last eastender
5:59 Sun Oct 16
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Problem with Croydon and thoRyton heath is they were good areas but got ruined by brixton overspill.
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the last eastender
5:53 Sun Oct 16
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You could say the same about Romford and Chadwell heath.
Two areas well and truly messed up.
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Nagel
5:36 Sun Oct 16
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Croydon is in the middle of a massive regeneration project with a new Westfield centre and loads of offices and flats being built. So maybe the Selhurst area will see a knock on effect, either improving it or making it worse as the poorer Croydon locals get priced out and move around Selhurst.
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eastend joker
4:51 Sun Oct 16
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But behind this is coming area's like Brixton and Hackney that are now on the way up again , in 10 years time selhurst will be like these .
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munkyfunk
2:54 Sun Oct 16
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My old nan lived off green lane Thornton heath for 40 yrs
Me too for 5.
Drove past it two weeks ago and op has summed up the area perfectly. Different place totally now, used to love a pint in the fountain or the parchmore. I lock my car doors driving thru now.
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monto
2:35 Sun Oct 16
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My old man lived in the big corner house on the junction of Park Road and Selhurst Road.
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